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	<title>Comments on: On bonfires and that</title>
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		<title>By: Good old Goodall ;)</title>
		<link>http://no-mans-blog.com/2009/12/01/on-bonfires-and-that/comment-page-1/#comment-274048</link>
		<dc:creator>Good old Goodall ;)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with the point about short-termism (http://is.gd/5f7iH) - yet it&#039;s so hard to justify something that won&#039;t see immediate returns, especially in this economy.

Also, people who work for Brands always want to build a nice big bonfire to show how productive they have been. I would love to do lots of smaller projects, each one adding value to a specific community (that&#039;s the basis of what some of us at Nokia call Neighbourhood marketing: http://is.gd/5f7K0) but I find myself unable to argue against the need for at least a Digital/Engagement Hub; the alternative vision of value-adding projects feels a bit random and sparse when compared to the &quot;guarantee&quot; delivered by building a specific website, even if that website brings little additional value.

But, anyways, great post as always :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with the point about short-termism (<a href="http://is.gd/5f7iH" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/5f7iH</a>) &#8211; yet it&#8217;s so hard to justify something that won&#8217;t see immediate returns, especially in this economy.</p>
<p>Also, people who work for Brands always want to build a nice big bonfire to show how productive they have been. I would love to do lots of smaller projects, each one adding value to a specific community (that&#8217;s the basis of what some of us at Nokia call Neighbourhood marketing: <a href="http://is.gd/5f7K0" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/5f7K0</a>) but I find myself unable to argue against the need for at least a Digital/Engagement Hub; the alternative vision of value-adding projects feels a bit random and sparse when compared to the &#8220;guarantee&#8221; delivered by building a specific website, even if that website brings little additional value.</p>
<p>But, anyways, great post as always <img src='http://no-mans-blog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: john v willshire</title>
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		<dc:creator>john v willshire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey man... just come across here from Katy&#039;s post which started you off on this I think?

You&#039;ve made lots of great points around the marketing issues with social, and I&#039;m increasingly a believer that the expectation of social doesn&#039;t work wedded to a &#039;firework&#039; style mass production model... or at least rarely works, and even then no-one can really work out why.

I do think the thing &#039;in-between&#039; is actually bonfires that start around the production of the goods/services; change what is being sold to be social, not try and socialise what exists already.  But as your final point rightly highlights, there&#039;s a short-termism issue with a lot of clients on that.

Keynes said &#039;in the long run we&#039;re all dead&#039;, meaning that it was too far off to worry about.  In this age, if we don&#039;t change things in the short run, then in the medium run we&#039;re screwed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey man&#8230; just come across here from Katy&#8217;s post which started you off on this I think?</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve made lots of great points around the marketing issues with social, and I&#8217;m increasingly a believer that the expectation of social doesn&#8217;t work wedded to a &#8216;firework&#8217; style mass production model&#8230; or at least rarely works, and even then no-one can really work out why.</p>
<p>I do think the thing &#8216;in-between&#8217; is actually bonfires that start around the production of the goods/services; change what is being sold to be social, not try and socialise what exists already.  But as your final point rightly highlights, there&#8217;s a short-termism issue with a lot of clients on that.</p>
<p>Keynes said &#8216;in the long run we&#8217;re all dead&#8217;, meaning that it was too far off to worry about.  In this age, if we don&#8217;t change things in the short run, then in the medium run we&#8217;re screwed&#8230;</p>
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